In the early 1990s when Peter Day of Land Securities put together a group of people with an interest in lifts, I wonder if he foresaw that thirty-five years later some of his volunteers would still be part of that group. Well, it is hard to say because it is a long time ago, long enough for human memory to lapse the full detail of events, and CIBSE apparently has no record of them either. One of those volunteers, however, were she here today, would no doubt have been able to put her academic rigour to good use and set us all straight. I refer, of course, to the late Dr Gina Barney who was part of the team that produced the first edition of CIBSE Guide D and sometime between 1995 and 2000 became the driving force of the CIBSE special interest Lifts Group.